August 19, 1999, 10:27 PM

Mike: This is a discussion of the Hudson Australian patent which appears to have errors in it to me and R has confirmed that and she has said that [the Essene] can give us details.

The Essene: Well, why don't go over the procedure for just doing it. What I did is took one ounce of gold, put it into 700 ml of aqua regia, made with three parts hydrochloric acid and one part nitric acid. I boiled it in an Erlenmeyer flask till all the gold was dissolved.

Barry: Did you cut the gold up or was it a coin?

The Essene: It was a coin. When it was all dissolved I turned down the heat to about 140 degrees and I added formic acid; approximately two ounces. I had 700 ml of aqua regia in it and an ounce of gold. Then it frothed just like a glass of Seven Up; you see the little bubbles in coming up all over in it but there were a million of them. When they quit, all the nitrates were gone and then I evaporated it down to 100 ml. I added hydrochloric acid back up to 700 ml and evaporated it down again to 100.

Mike: Concentrated hydrochloric acid?

The Essene: Concentrated. All of this is concentrated, no water added. Alright, after the third time down I filled it back up to 700 and capped it with a solid seal. I left it at 121 degrees Fahrenheit for 21 days and nights.

R: In the dark.

The Essene: In the dark. After that time I opened the container which had the gold solution in it and I added one and a half grams of table salt. And then I sealed it up and left it set for another 21 days in the dark. Now when you took and swirled it around, you could see snowflakes all through it. Then I took and opened it up and added another one and a half grams of salt. Now it all turned forest green---dark green.

Barry: Was it dark green solution, precipitate or what?

The Essene: It was dark green solution, dark green everything. But you could still swirl it and see the green snowflakes in it.

Here R brought out a mason jar with a very dark green--almost black--solution in it. It was so dark green that the only way you could tell that it was green was to slosh water up the sides and see the green it left there. The light from a flashlight would not pass through it.

The Essene: It's turned a lot darker since I did it; it didn't start out quite that dark green. It just turned a darker green.

R: It was an emerald green and it's gotten darker.

The Essene: After it turned green and seven days were up, I added one and a half more grams of salt. It turned brick red.

Barry: Now is that brick red the m-state? That's not the red lion is it?

The Essene: It is the red lion.

Barry: How do you get to the white?

The Essene: Well you precipitate it up the twenty one days and you add the first salt.

Barry: The first salt?

The Essene: The first addition of salt. After that it sets seven days. The first addition of salt it precipitates like when you use sodium in it. You can take and add lye to precipitate it instead of acid.

Barry: Now does this process work with each of the m-state elements or just with gold?

The Essene: All the m-state elements. There's a window. If you're coming down out of a lye solution the safe window is 8.5.

Barry: Going up, it's 10.78.

The Essene: Right. And the only time you have to worry about that is if you've got magnesium in it then 10.78 is where the window is.

Barry: If there's no magnesium--what is the magnesium--does it come out at 10.78?

The Essene: No it just triggers everything. A little magnesium . . .

R: It triggers the […] and the lead and the garbage.

Barry: Oh, it'll trigger everything else above . . . ?

The Essene: No, it keeps it out if you don't go over 10.78.

R: But it'll trigger it to fall down if you do.

The Essene: Right.

Barry: Ok now, when you put lye water in your solution, if you lye water is above a certain pH you'll create a local pH phenomena.

The Essene: That means you stir like hell and you use a very dilute lye solution.

Barry: How dilute a lye solution do you use.

The Essene: We never use more than four to one.

Barry: Four parts water to one part lye?

The Essene: Right.

Barry: That's a fairly concentrated lye solution.

The Essene: I know but we're working in a barrel, we've got a boat paddle and we're stirring like mad and she's up there with an eye dropper going zip. You've never seen her precipitate, it'd scare the hell out of you.

Barry: That's precipitating the m-3?

R: I do all of it that way. I get tired of waiting.

Barry: But you know there's nothing else in there?

R: I don't care if there is or there ain't; I ain't going to over shoot my pH.

Barry: But you create little local high pH areas?

R: Not if you stir it right.

Mike: If you stir it fast enough you won't.

R: Not if you get your vortex going.

Barry: I built a vortex stirring thing ...

R: I get a tornado vortex down the heart of it and go for broke.

Barry: Do you use an electrical stirring device?

R: No, I use that big spoon. [She pointed to a two foot long plastic spoon.]

Mike: When you get the pH down to 8.5 what do you do with it.

The Essene: When you get the pH down to 8.5 it'll stay there forever. All you're rinses and everything will not change the pH.

Mike: Do you isolate the precipitate and wash it? Because I checked the m-3; the pH of the m-3 that you sent to me was 7.00.

The Essene: Shouldn't have been.

Mike: Should have been 8.5?

The Essene: 8.5 is where it always goes. We've got a $550 meter to tell us.

R: Unless our water changed it when we rinsed it. Maybe I didn't get distilled water that time, I got shit water that was supposed to be distilled. That would be the only thing that would change the pH. Sometimes some of the distilled water you buy ain't really distilled water and there for a while, I wasn't checking the pH of my distilled water. That could have thrown it off.

Barry: So it'll stay locked on right at 8.5?

The Essene: Yes.

Mike: What happens if you go below 8.5?

The Essene: It doesn't matter.

Barry: It won't go back into solution till you get down to about two, right?

The Essene: Right.

Mike: I'd say it [the M-3 that Mike purchased] was a good 40-50% precipitate in that when it settles.

R: Yea, but you're not supposed to be decanting it off either cause usually the water is imprinted with the m-state also.

Barry: Yea, the distilled water on the top--whatever is on the top--is just about as good as whatever is on the bottom.

The Essene: There is another reason we decant it off to a certain level and then we don't any more.

R: I take it to a certain strength, it's human assimilable, it's just fine for the human body and I leave it there.

Mike: So you take it to pH 8.5 and that's how you ingest it?

R: After it's rinsed, yes.

Mike: What do you mean after it's rinsed?

R: Oh God, we'll go through all this tomorrow; I'll show you a complete burn.

Mike: Ok, good.

R: But basically what you do, you do the burn, you boil it in lye, you precipitate it, you put it under a towel in the dark till it settles. You pour off the clear liquid then you take distilled water and fill the jar back up. Put it in the dark again under the towel and you let it set till it has clear liquid on top and you pour it off again.

Mike: How many times do you do that?

R: Three.

Mike: What do you do with the clear liquid?

R: Pour it off, get rid off it. It's salt water, what do you want it for?

Barry: You keep taking the liquid off till you get the salt all out?

R: Three times.

The Essene: You don't want it all out.

R: You don't want it all out cause if it gets x-rayed you kill the m-state.

R showed us two different jars of precipitate. Both had about two inches of precipitate in the bottom. When she swirled each bottle we could see a difference in the way the precipitate behaved.

R: C-11 is milkier than M-3.

Barry: Oh yea, it sticks to the ground better.

R: See how thick it [the C-11] is? And see how light and snowy this [M-3] is?

Barry: C-11 is 11 m-state or just 11 minerals including calcium and magnesium and they're not in the m-state?

The Essene: They're not in the m-state. See, salt water has got all of the m-state in it and contrary to what everybody thinks, properly made m-state mercury drops to gold.

Barry: That's what Hudson says, properly made m-state mercury if you heat it will go to gold. And that's the way to know if you have properly made m-state mercury is if it does that. And he says that in his lectures.

Here there was a discussion of the relative merits of Hudson's chloride solution vs. the product of the sodium burn method. The Essene and his daughter expressed the opinion that Hudson's product might be doing more harm than good.

Mike: So, how'd they turn lead into gold? Did they really do it or is it just talk?

The Essene: There is a computer program and it was written by NASA and it's on the periodic table. It's got all the m-states and all the different metals that make m-state. And it's got the radioactive decay of how one metal converts to another without nuclear fusion.

Barry: Is that right? Where does one get that computer program?

The Essene: It's on the web, is all I know. I had it. I lost it when I lost my hard drive. And I've got it on the cassettes now as soon as I get a computer again I'll plug it in and have the new . . .

Barry: Now, this computer works, doesn't it?

The Essene: Yea, the hard drive in it does. That computer is pretty old now.

Mike: You just take and heat lead and something else?

The Essene: Well, see, what the unit is on that is the induction fields force the electrons down like a saucer and the nucleus of the atom is bared on the poles. It's got no electron shielding at all on it.

Barry: It's a naked nucleus, so to speak.

The Essene: Yea, and the house [?] inside the heavier atoms is not satisfied to stay that way. Just as soon as the naked poles [are exposed] they clean house and they push out the ones that are uncomfortable and the heavier materials all drop to 197.

Barry: 197 which is gold.

Mike: You could take antimony which is heavier than gold and heat it in an induction furnace and it should drop with the emission of some kind of particle.

The Essene: Yes.

Mike: All you have to do is calculate and you should be able to figure it out.

The Essene: Um hm.

Barry: Do you have to tune your induction furnace to frequency or . . . ?

The Essene: Yea. What you want is to have one with some harmonics. It's not that hard to put the harmonics in it. All you need is a tank coil.

Jim: Infinitely variable.

Barry: All you need is a what?

The Essene: Tank coil.

Jim: I've got some neat parts I'm going to talk with you about later.

The Essene: You didn't think I could talk to you on that huh?

All: Laughter.

Jim: I didn't know you were into electronics so far.

The Essene: Well I took six sciences when I went to college. Six. Biochemistry, inorganic chemistry, nuclear physics, electronics, clinical psychology and astronomy. Astronomy was the most important one, absolutely the most important one.

Jim: Did you have Dobson?

The Essene: I don't think so; no.

Jim: He taught at Berkeley. The one that runs around and teaches people how to build telescopes now. Yea, I took one of his classes when I was a seventh grader and hand ground one myself.

The Essene: Well the deal was, you take a telescope and all you see is one pinpoint of light. What they teach you to be is Sherlock Holmes. You figure out how to do the test so you know something about that one point of light. How far it is, how massive it is and ah . . .

Barry: And spectrum and all that.

The Essene: It'll tell you the age of the star. But we had a problem and we knew it was wrong then. See, as far as our class was concerned, in the college I was going to and all that, the big bang never happened. See, cause what they discovered, a black hole sucks everything including light. But it's magnetic field rotates around its equator and this ionizes all the gas cloud around it coming in and it gives off radio signals; so we thought, otherwise there's nothing there. Most black holes are a mile or so in diameter and they are spinning at 30 thousand times a second.

Jim: Now they're finding that there's anti-particles coming out at the pole ends too.

The Essene: Right, and when those anti-particles come out at the pole ends they get about 280 thousand light years away and they start making mass--they start turning to hydrogen gas.

Barry: Kind of a little recycling . . .

The Essene: A recycling unit.

Jim: No way to talk about my sister.

The Essene: And we determined a long time ago that the stars that were red shifted were supposed to be travelling away from us and the stars that were blue shifted were supposed to be coming toward us. That was also wrong because gravitation--see light beams are actually particles and they actually react to gravity. So if light's leaving a massive star, it's red shifted because there's gravitational pull on the light; it slows it down. It has nothing to do with the speed the star is moving at. And if the light is being accelerated toward you, for one reason or another, it gonna be blue shifted.

Barry: And if you are looking at one of these black holes pole on, it's gonna be blue shifted and you're gonna see a blue source.

The Essene: Um hm. But it was real important for me because it taught me to take one little point of fact and work with it.

Barry: You know, this anti-gravity thing out of the black hole, I'm wondering if it's related to the spinning iridium disks that you make?

The Essene: No.

Barry: Like spin coherence or something like that?

The Essene: No.

Barry: Well, what do you think that is?

The Essene: The beam coming out is--they know it's coming out but it doesn't form into matter until it slows down.

Barry: Right.

The Essene: So, they're saying that the core is compressed so hard that it is pure energy.

Jim: Yea the rules are out.

The Essene: Right now, I don't think that they know any more about than they did 20 years ago. I think it's still out there.

Barry: Yea.

The Essene: But I'll tell you a story that maybe you'll be interested in. Because my hero done it--Nicholi Tesla. He was getting a group of scientists together and he wanted particular ones, you know, some sharp men. So he rented Madison Square Gardens and he treated them quite nice so that they had a ring he set up and they had the chairs and the audience in place and everything. He was going to give a lecture. Well, everybody was filing in; all the scientists from all over were filing in there getting ready to sit down with four people in the ring with the loudspeakers and mikes and all this kind of stuff. They were milling around while they were filling the auditorium. And over the head of all of these [people] a little kid came in riding one of these snow saucers that you ride in the snow with--over their head. And he went out and he went all over the audience and finally he went over to the ring and settled down in the ring. Nicholi Tesla stood up and said "this concludes our demonstration for tonight; thank you gentlemen--good night". Not one of those scientists went and asked how that thing worked.

Barry: Only one?

The Essene: Not one.

Barry: Not one. Oh my god.

Jim: Of course not one of them would understand what he said either.

The Essene: Well that's not the point.

Barry: That sort of brings up the next question. So how is it different?

The Essene: How did it fly?

Barry: How do they fly? What is the m-state iridium. Is it a gravitational shield?

The Essene: It's a gravitational shield. It won't allow the gravitational force to penetrate it.

Barry: Why?

The Essene: I really don't know.

Barry: Hm.

The Essene: But there is no force field of any kind [which can penetrate it].

Barry: Um hm.

The Essene: Now I went to California, I went to Ashland, actually, to listen to David Hudson speak. After David Hudson's speech was done I went to California to a UFO meeting. Now this was not a bunch of phonies. This was scientific people. We had the lecture in the auditorium and I paid real good attention. Well, come demonstration time they took a table like this [he pointed to his kitchen table], only it was clean, (mine never is). But anyway, they took and laid a sheet of plastic over this table. This plastic was about half an inch thick. They turned another table upside down over this table and they put a whole pile of barbell weights on the top table. Then they had people from the audience come up and stick their hands underneath the table, like this. The top table would float away--with the weights.

Jim: Back to the fly ash.

Barry: Now the sheet had the m-state iridium in it?

The Essene: Right, exactly. And it was your aura that was actually picking the top table up.

Barry: Now, that m-state iridium wouldn't have been annealed?

The Essene: No.

Barry: So it was just the moving magnetic field that caused it to move?

The Essene: Your moving aura.

Barry: See this is the principle that this magnetic trap that Jim developed works under. It magnetically expels the m-state iridium, probably, from water. A lot of it's iridium and ah . . .

Jim: Run it through the turbine, spin the water over a magnetic field, the mono levitates against the water and you pull it out through wicking material that's hydrophobic.

The Essene: Same thing.

Barry: And we've got one for you and it's something you can put on your mantle piece and it's a work of art.

Barry: What's the process, step by step, for getting m-state iridium into a levitating disk?

The Essene: All right, you take and make you up your m-state iridium fresh and you mix it into a ceramic clay--I use a porcelain clay--and mix it very, very thoroughly. The idea of annealing it is to spread the iridium molecules out so they are even because any place they're cluster they loose their spin.

Barry: You anneal it in what kind of a furnace?

The Essene: I use a toaster oven--a cupelling furnace. And the idea of it is that as you anneal it they push apart from each other and spread and they get even. This is the whole idea of annealing it. Now, iridium will not work if it is all together, it has to be set in an egg crate situation with something holding it apart.

Barry: A matrix.

The Essene: Yea.

Barry: And your annealing oven is an electric oven?

The Essene: Yea.

Barry: Will it work in a gas oven?

The Essene: Certainly.

Barry: You've done it that way too?

The Essene: No. When I was playing with that I didn't have my gas oven.

Barry: But you think it will work in a gas oven.

The Essene: I'm certain it will.

Mike: You made it in an egg carton?

The Essene: No, visualize in your mind how eggs set in a carton. Each one is separate. You're using the porcelain to isolate the iridium that way.

Barry: Particles.

Jim: Just like ferrite for a magnetic core.

Barry: How much iridium [is mixed into the clay]? You said about ten percent. Is that it?

The Essene: About it.

Jim: Can I buy some iridium from you?

The Essene: I'll give you some iridium sand and you can clean the damn stuff yourself.

Barry: Mike, do you want some iridium too?

Mike: Yea.

Jim: Well the iridium mono, as a medication, that's the only one I think is okay to eat.

The Essene: Let me put it to you this way, I've been on the gold all the way through. I've been on the C-11 all of my life. I've taken enough of the rhodium-iridium-gold. You ought to try to stump me in my field.

Jim: Yep, you're real sharp and I like that in a person.

The Essene: That come with it. That's what happens to you when you take it.

Barry: One other thing that comes with it is that you know what's going to happen before it happens.

The Essene: Yes, but that has nothing to do with whether you'll listen to it or not.

Barry: That's right.

Jim: And it's confusing.

The Essene: No, it's not.

Jim: It was to me. Of course I had a megadose of lead and arsenic with it.

The Essene: But the point about what I'm saying is that you know but a lot of times you push it off and do it anyway.

Barry: Yea.

The Essene: Like a little kid.

Barry: Yea.

The Essene: And don't do that! You've gotta do it or die.

Jim: And I'm never in denial.

The Essene: Right.

All: Laughter

The Essene: Well if I screw up, big deal, I won't next time or if I screwed up on purpose then it was what …

Jim: Did you gather some data when it happened?

All: Laughter.

Jim: It may have been worth it.

The Essene: Yea, it depends on what it is. If its worth it I'd do it. But let's talk about religion for just a second.

Barry: Um hm.

The Essene: Just a second, I'm gonna ask questions. Everybody talks about God and death and the final judgement. Do you know who the final judge is gonna be? You. Nobody else.

Barry: Yea.

The Essene: So who does that make us?

Jim: Like it says.

The Essene: Yes, we are all Gods.

Jim: Resonant superconductors.

The Essene: But the point about it is, you are here to get a body, to learn to control the body and to go through your tests and trials you already set up.

Jim: I am pissed. [Laughs]

All Laughter

Barry: You volunteered. It wasn't like . . .

The Essene: You begged to come.

Barry: Yea, exactly.

Jim: Probably, but my folks wouldn't do it again.

All Laughter

The Essene: No but that's actually true.

Mike: You probably did beg to come Jim.

Jim: I think so.

The Essene: You go up there on the fourth level and you see large groups of entities planning out their whole life.

Mike: A great talk.

The Essene: And then when they get it all planned out--you're supposed to do this to me and you're supposed to do that to me--you're supposed to build me and teach me so that I react automatically properly.

Barry: Um hm.

The Essene: That's the whole idea of coming down other than getting a body and learning to operate it.

Barry: It's a very creative play that you're the author of and you're all the actors.

Jim: I would go for two out of three.

Mike: Yea, but there's shared reality too.

Barry: Well yea but I mean it's like there's a shared reality . . .

Jim: Ah let's talk about reality for a minute. Like I say, this facade is here at a great deal of expense of energy.

The Essene: Well, the deal about it is, that book on astral projection and stuff like that. The witnesses aren't around now, here. But there's quite a few all over the country. But ah, one time I wanted to do a test on some water to make m-state out of it. Well, I couldn't afford to go because I'm poor, I'm broke, no money. So, I used that astral projection deal. I went to a place called Salt Lake City. I went out and I worked out there--my recollection of the time was about two hours to get the water, do the precipitation and stuff like that so that I could bring the information back. Alright I brought the information back (this was two thousand people) I showed them how to do it, where to get it, the whole works. Great Salt Lake has got a lot of m-state in it.

Barry: Um hm.

The Essene: And I told them what kind of m-state it was and all this kind of stuff. Alright, when I went down there, there was about fifteen people I knew that were there to witness me coming and doing work and they all swore I was there all day. But my own passage of time was about two hours.

Jim: Um, astral projection is very real to me. I worked with a guy who was very much so into it, couldn't get any communications out to his old lady, if you will, his wife. They were doing a project and I called BS. He say's "okay tonight, what do you want me to have my wife write in the letter that's gonna be here?" And I say, da ta da da da da you know let's do this little formula thing that I had to do today. Something that you couldn't just wing over the phone. And sure enough, "tell Jim, ah, surprise."

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Barry: I did a lot of past life regression with hypnotism, fifty people or so. I got a lot of interesting information that way.

The Essene: The trouble of it is, with me, on this life and the other lives, I've kept my memory.

Jim: Only technology for me.

The Essene: Well, the deal about it is, I've only had one time when I wasn't a teacher. This time I refused to be a teacher. I kept having these real serious accidents till I went back to it. Now I do a little bit; not very much, just a little bit. I go over and run a school six months or so at a time and then I escape for a while and then I go back again.

Jim: Makes perfect sense to me. Do the sabbatical and . . .

The Essene: You know what, one of the first things I do when I train a group and I have to say I haven't trained a group for just about a year now. But the first thing I do is I take half the students and I blindfold them and I take the other half of the students and give them little wooden sticks. And the person blindfolded is supposed to stand there and the guy without the blindfold says hey and he reaches up an touches them with the stick. The person blindfolded has a stick in his hand and he's supposed to move it an block the touch. And in about a week, you can't touch them without them blocking it.

Barry: Hm.

The Essene: And then they go to the next step, they learn to sword fight with those wooden sticks; blindfolded and the other guy doesn't have a blindfold. It takes about a week to do that. And the Samurai and all of those groups are all taught blindfolded so that they know the reaction you're gonna do before you do it. That's part of their training.

Jim: And sense the presence, not necessarily to see you.

The Essene: But that teaches you knowingness. It teaches you to understand your knowingness. Because, you know before it happens, you're just ignoring it. And, then I teach them how to . . like how I get by in deep and understand everything that goes on and how to see without your eyes.

Barry: Tomorrow I'd like to talk a little bit about how you figured this out when you were young and your memories of being an Essene and all that.

The Essene: The deal about it is, how I figured it out is I remembered it.

Barry: That's right. But like get some . . .

The Essene: Many, many years ago, before the Catholics got involved, because the Catholics is the ones that put us down. They made C-11 type m-state, where they could. Other places used wood ash to make it. You can take wood ashes, burned at low temperatures and boil them in water and filter them through cloth so that you've got a clean solution and you can titrate it an get your m-state out of the wood ashes.

Barry: I'll be darned.

Jim: Hmm.

The Essene: And everybody used to have a little leather pouch on the belt.

Jim: You mean those briquettes already had the m-state in it?

The Essene: Huh?

Jim: Those cheap briquettes I used already had the m-state in it?

The Essene: Sure, as long as you didn't burn them too hot.

Jim: I didn't burn them at all. Catalyzed them. But we'll go through that tomorrow.

The Essene: But anyway, everybody took m-state--a little bit every day. The idea was, you never get sick when you take it. It raises your immune system--five to six times normal. They didn't have any doctors back then. You got sick, you died. So everybody took it so they wouldn't get sick. And then the Catholic Church came and they started to talking about if God wanted you healed He'd heal you. They got rid of a whole bunch of people and they also killed all the midwives. They burned them at the stake for witches. If a woman had a baby that didn't come out right, they killed the midwife.

Jim: That's pretty harsh.

The Essene: So they got to the point nobody could get help.

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All: Discussion of what elements are m-state elements. Magnesium and silica precipitate in the m-state window.

Jim: I'd like you, if you get a chance, to try the peroxide method with only two and a half percent acid.

The Essene: If I wanted red gold, I'd make red gold.

Barry: Does that make red gold?

Jim: You can make white or red.

The Essene: I know that the red gold I make is the real thing, the Red Lion. And read about it real close, think about it and then don't do it. I've had a quart of Red Lion sitting here for years and never consider taking it.

Jim: You're preaching to the choir.

Mike: What does it do?

The Essene: Well, let me give you a little talk about it and you guys can think about it. Now the Red Lion, the Green Lion and the White Lion will get you to the same place. The White Lion is slower; it takes about a year to get there. The Green Lion will get you there in a month. Red Lion will get you there in one taste.

Jim: Been there.

The Essene: Being here on this realm, everybody normally thinks that that's all there is but there is eleven other places that you can go.

Jim: I'll buy it, I remember talking physics with Abraham and being called back to answer questions on this ozone equipment; "Jim, Jim" you know.

The Essene: But anyway, you've got any one of them when you go to it you can go from this realm to the other realms and come back again.

Jim: Could you speak very well or were you very broken in your English? Like just key words when somebody would ask you a question.

The Essene: Well ah there's a whole things about that. A whole lot. But, ah, I would suggest anybody going on, that's fully healthy and all that kinda stuff to consider playing in the other realms--the other worlds.

Jim: I thought I had totally lost it because I could not tell what was real and what was Memorex. Had it already happened or did I dream it--was I going nuts. You know, I absolutely couldn't tell reality from a dream.

The Essene: That's what happens when you start. And after you get proficient in the other realms and then you can come and be somebody in the other realms and this realm does not have that much to offer. There's only one reason in the world that I'm here.

Barry: And what's that?

The Essene: [The Essene mentions a member of his family.]

Barry: You're also trying to help out a lot of other people too.

The Essene: Oh yea, but that's a side point. I would step over into another realm in a minute if it wasn't for [obligations to the family member]. Cause, I'm not crippled, I'm not blind, I'm not nothing there [in the other realm]. And time flows quite a bit different there.

Jim: Aye!

The Essene: One day here equals seven years there and you're not crippled, you're not restricted, you can do anything.

Jim: That helps explain--a lot of people say "well when did this happen", when I got nuked, you know, doing this gold project. And I'd sit there and I couldn't tell them when because all the timeline stuff was so chopped up that I couldn't.

The Essene: Well the timelines are completely at your control. Completely. You might think that I'm talking through my ass but I'm not. To get [the family member] out of trouble once, I had to play with the timeline. And I couldn't get to [the family member] so I had to play with the timelines and get a person that was there so he would step in, put his life on the line and get [the family member] out of trouble. And then I paid the guy back by supporting him for a year and getting him started in a new life, blanking out his past history and getting him started again.

Jim: That timeline thing is real different.

The Essene: I had to go back four years and start changing up. Then I had to keep the SOB alive long enough so he could do the job.

Jim: Do you have any . . . for me, I have recollections of talking physics with Abraham and this type of thing.

The Essene: Um hm.

Jim: Do you have any . . .

The Essene: That's fourth dimensional work--I mean fourth level work. I'm sorry, not dimension, fourth level work. The entities of the people that you know here--the control entities are on the fourth level. Now, you--all of you--myself, we all come down here for a specific reason. When this reason's done we'll release the animal that we've got, that we're controlling and go home.

Mike: You mean this [?]?

Barry: The body.

The Essene: No, the body.

Jim: This three dimensions.

The Essene: Unfortunately, the body you are has got nothing whatsoever to do with the entity you are. In fact the body don't even like the way it's being treated. It's a very low intelligence thing and it will hurt itself to hurt you.

Jim: This three dimensional facade is here at a great deal of energy.

Mike: Yea but it's pretty solid. [Knocks on the table.]

The Essene: No, but that's not the point. The point about it is, the body that you've got, you took when you came down on this plane. Your entity is controlling this body. Your entity doesn't really stay here all the time on this plane.

Barry: Yea, when you dream, you're not here, you're someplace else. And you know you're someplace else.

The Essene: You're right and you [control?] it. You are there. But the point about it is, you've got absolute control over that; most people don't realize that.

Barry: That's one thing that Mike, he's the guy that made these magnetic traps that I'm going to give you one of them tomorrow. Since he's been taking the water from the magnetic trap, he says he's had more conscious dreams--more aware dreams where he's in control--than he's ever had before in his life.

The Essene: Well actually that was, ah (I'm trying to figure out how to put it) that was due to the fact that he's getting his body to where he's getting filled with this stuff. Cause his body, as I say, does everything against you [that] it can, as long as it's against you. But if it's on your side it will do everything it can to help you.

Mike: So how do you get it on your side.

The Essene: Well, a whole bunch of ways. Llewellyn makes about the best book there is on it.

Barry: Now Llewellyn's ah . . .?

The Essene: Astral Travelling by Llewellyn. . .

Barry: He's also an astrologer.

The Essene: Llewellyn publishers.

Mike: So on an atomic level, a molecular level, what's the difference between the White Lion, the Green Lion and the Red Lion?

The Essene: Well, if you put on your chemist's hat, I'll tell you.

Mike: Zzzzt. [Sound of Mike putting on his chemist's hat.]

The Essene: Alright, gold has got three valence spaces, right? It's actually got a plus three volts on each one of them, actually it's damn near three and a half. Alright now let's say we tie an alkali to it.

Mike: Like sodium.?

The Essene: Like sodium. Sodium is at a minus two volts and it's only got one valence, one ion. Alright say you tie three sodiums on a valence gold. Now you've got a five and a half volt chemical tie to that gold molecule. To pull that sodium off you've got to have that much in there. There's no chemistry on earth that'll take them apart so you have to use electrolysis, or radiation or a laser beam or something to generate enough energy to vibrate them hard enough to break these bonds. Normally they cannot be broke. Are you with me.

Mike: That's what happened in Sodium Burn Method.

The Essene: Yea, because you actually burnt the sodium right to the gold. And ah, all three valences are clamped down to a sodium.

Mike: You got three sodium's and one gold.

The Essene: Um hm.

Mike: Okay.

The Essene: Now that's the White Lion.

Mike: That's the White Lion.

The Essene: Now let's say that you get a little [?] in that. As a chemist, you know that the color is actually due to the size of the molecule you are looking at. That is essentially what causes color. It's either that or it's an unstable . . . ah, an acid molecule that's got one color, a neutral molecule is always white and an alkali molecule's got every color. But anyway, (we're talking about metal colors now). And let's say you want to make your green, you change it--you take and you tie a couple of gold together and you put the sodium around it, the diatomic gold with the sodium on the other end and you've go green gold.

Barry: Okay, now, the diatomic gold is still an m-state in that case, right?

The Essene: Partial m-state.

Barry: And partial metallic.

The Essene: Yea. And now the red gold . . .

Mike: So you have diatomic gold with one sodium on one gold and [End of Tape Two Side One]

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On side two the conversation did not take up from where side one left off. We did not know that the tape had ended.

Side two starts with a discussion of Solomon and how he accumulated gold by making it from Dead Sea salt.

The Essene: What he did, he manufactured this gold, then turned around and paid the people to build the temple for him. And they would go spend this money all over because they were making big money. And it raised the economy of the whole country to the point that there was no country in the world that could come anywhere near it. He didn't care about the gold but he hired the priests to make the gold for him and run the furnaces and he hired all the laborers to make the temple and he put the money in the country.

Jim: You want to [?] all this, don't ya?

The Essene: [Laughs] But anyway, what he did at the Dead Sea--he took the Dead Sea water and titrated it to 10.78 with wood ashes they had filtered through cloth.

Barry: So how did they know when it was 10.78?

The Essene: When you add it [and] you get no more precipitation you quit. They were very careful. Have you ever titrated the Dead Sea?

Barry: I have.

The Essene: You know what happens.

Barry: Yep. It looks like cottage cheese.

The Essene: Right.

The Essene: His plant is still there today and it would not take very much to put back on line; it's still all together.

Barry: Un huh. You've seen it?

The Essene: Lori went there and had a video cam and she took pictures of the whole plant.

Barry: Wow. And so you knew exactly what everything was for and what it was doing.

The Essene: And how to operate it.

Jim: It was a picture you had in your mind?

The Essene: Um hm.

Barry: Okay.

The Essene: But anyway, uh . . .

Mike: So what is it?

Barry: What's it a picture of?

The Essene: A chemical plant. They would take the m-state out of the precipitating container by pipe and run it out into a large raft. And they actually filled these rafts which were about twenty feet high and the size of a football field. They had several of them. Alright, they would dry in the sun.

Barry: Un huh.

Jim: The precip at ten point seven.

The Essene: And every day these guys would go with brooms and sweep the top layer of dust off of it into a fire. We worked until the furnaces were charged. Now the furnaces were charged with brimstone (that's sulfur).

Barry: All right.

The Essene: Mixed with the m-state. And what happens is the sulfur grabs the sodium, at high heat, off of the gold and turns to sodium sulfate. And the gold is free. For a collector they used a silver ore and for a reducing agent they stirred it with an iron rod. I never knew they had iron at that time until [?].

Jim: The sulfide mat, if you will, is so tarry you can't pour it, you can't work with it. It's gnarly stuff in the bottom; it's black, it's ugly.

The Essene: Um hm.

Jim: You throw in iron or hematite and it scavenges up all the chemicals and leaves the noble ones.

The Essene: It leaves the gold and metal behind. Alright, the silver came down with it. Then they had these other dishes where they would pour this [molten] metal into water and it makes shot. They pour it about ten feet down to hit the water. They would take the shot out of that and they had these plates of stuff out there and they would spread the shot out on it and then they'd beat the hell out of it with hammers--thin it out; flatten it.

Barry: Um hm.

The Essene: They would go from there to these large square tanks. They were about ten foot by ten foot by about fifteen foot deep. They fill full of green manure and they [layered it with the beaten metal] and more green manure all the way up. And they kept it wet. That's how they got the nitrates to part the silver out of the gold.

Jim: I'm kinda surprised that beating at it didn't separate it just because of the . . .

The Essene: They didn't care.

Jim: Yea. Urea separation huh?

The Essene: Um hm.

Jim: That's cheatin'.

The Essene: But anyway, after seven years they would take and wash all the manure out of it and take the metal and have the finest beaten gold.

Jim: And that the term.

The Essene: Seven years . . .

Jim: In the bible it says beaten gold repeatedly--I wondered what that meant.

Barry: How pure is that gold?

The Essene: After parting and the nitrates in manure for seven years, I don't think you can get it any purer.

Barry: Hmm.

The Essene: Slow parting but it's quite effective.

Mike: Gold metal?

The Essene: Yes.

Mike: Not salt; gold metal?

The Essene: It won't go into a nitrate solution.

Jim: All this urea will tear the silver out in a heartbeat, and leave the gold.

Mike: Urea--nitrogen.

Jim: Manure. In this particular case they are doing a conversion, instead of with a nuclear reaction with the nitrogen and carbon. This one's a good old fashioned sulfur stealing the sodium away from gold at high temperature chemistry.

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The Essene: Now, let's say that you take and want a battery. [His cat jumps up in his lap.] (Yes black cat. Everybody's got a stroke for you.) But anyway, you take carbon and impregnate it with rhodium powder and then you put regular fuel inside a hole you got in the carbon. Gasoline, alcohol; anything like that. It can be any hydrocarbon; it can have sulfur in it, it's not particular. Then you put a calcium hydroxide gel on it and a screen of silver on the inside. And a good air flow through it.

Taping break.

The Essene: But what happens is that as long as you have fuel in it, it will discharge at two thousand amps per square foot. [This is independent of the fuel.] And CO2, CO or sulfur does not poison it like all the other fuel cells.

Jim: I was playing around with a rhodium fuel cell (using a charged screen one with ethanol and compressed air) and the best thing I got, in a garage, was 150 amps per square foot out of a fuel cell running on alcohol vapor.

The Essene: Yea, but you could run it just as good on the alcohol if you put the [fuel] tube inside the carbon. What I do when I make it is press the carbon with a piece of plastic in it and I roast it out and this also anneals the rhodium.

Barry: So you press the carbon with the rhodium?

The Essene: Yes, and then I press it in with bitumen (it's like asphalt tar). And you press it real hard and you put it in a furnace and you cook it. Now it's hard as stone. You put your fuel into a line into it and it wets the carbon and it sweats out through the carbon.

Jim: Use rhodium black for the catalyst. No, I've never seen that in the books at all. They use palladium black, platinum black--never mention the rhodium. It's kind of a . . .

The Essene: Rhodium black is real easy to make.

Jim: That's the first time I've ever heard of it being . . .

The Essene: But it's real easy to make.

Mike: Someone must have investigated it. I worked with palladium black in graduate school. I never heard of rhodium black.

Jim: Me neither.

Mike: I mean you can't buy it anywhere, anyway.

Jim: That's how come I . . .

The Essene: Rhodium black is real, real easy to make. Do you want to know how to make it?

Mike: How?

The Essene: You take your rhodium precipitate. Let's say that you got a rock. You pound it up. You put a little bit of sulfuric acid in aqua regia--now it'll leach the rhodium right out of it. Then you precipitate it with ammonium sulfate, fertilizer, now you've go a yellow precipitate. You filter it off and rinse it. Then you put it in a metal can and you heat it up to 1500 degrees Fahrenheit under a hydrogen sphere. And you gotta vent it. You put the hydrogen in and you vent it out. It will carry all the contaminates with it. You heat it like that till you've got a blue flame coming out. And then when you open it, it's rhodium black.

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Barry: You said that if you are going to do an analysis in the m-state you take it up to a certain temperature.

The Essene: I said that's the best way.

Barry: Okay, and how do you determine the temperature?

The Essene: I determine the temperature by color. I've got a chart that give you color and what temperature it is.

Jim: The radiated color.

Barry: Okay, the radiated color. And what do you heat with?

The Essene: It depends on how hot I want to go.

Barry: Does the m-state work in an induction furnace?

The Essene: Yea, you can melt it in an induction furnace. It comes out a glass.

Barry: So if you're gonna assay . . . say, rhodium was what--1950 degrees and gold is 425 and iridium is what?

The Essene: 5400

Barry: 5400. How do you get up there?

The Essene: Induction furnace.

Barry: And it will go over, it will evaporate at 5400?

The Essene: Oh yea; it's easy to go to 10,000 C with an induction furnace. No problem at all.

Barry: And before it goes, it'll go to a glass?

The Essene: Yea. You have to be careful when you start all of this mess when you are playing with an induction furnace because it squashes the electronic shield around the nucleus of the atom. Once you get the electronic squashed down--it actually squashes it to look like a saucer and you got a little ball in the middle--when you get it in this shape you'll no longer have a shield over the nucleus of the atom. You can add protons, neutrons, whatever you want to the atom then and convert it from one metal to the other with no nuclear reaction.

Barry: Um hm.

The Essene: Everything above gold in mass drops right down to gold. And all the rest of the neutrons are floating around free and they will join lighter mass materials and go up to gold.

Barry: So gold seems to be the . . .

The Essene: Gold is the absolute zero level. If it's got too many it'll drop down to gold and the others will join other things trying to make gold. Gold is one of the stable platforms on the line. Palladium is the other stable platform. Everything comes up to palladium or drops down to palladium on the lower end.

Jim: I didn't know that. It sure makes a lot of sense with my yield.

The Essene: You put silver in an induction furnace and cook it for a while and it's half palladium.